More East West Railroad Q & A from Rail Promoter Monte Provolt

 

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Examiner readers and commenters, heres’s a lot more fodder for debate, so go ahead weigh in:

(Alleged) Facts:

Rail is the most environmentally-friendly way to move freight over land.

Humboldt Bay’s deep-water harbor is the only California deep-water harbor or port with no connection to a railroad.

Humboldt Bay is a day closer in sailing time to or from Asia than any other port in California.

Over 80% of ships moving cargo in the Pacific Rim can use Humboldt’s deep-water harbor.

It is extremely unlikely that any other deep-water port could be built in California in the future.

Projections:

Private sector investors will fund most of the building of the East West Railroad and additional port infra-structure.

Humboldt County will be able to “piggyback” on the East West Railroad to ship our goods in and out , helping to remove some competitive disadvantages faced by being so isolated from transportation hubs.

A locally-generated feasibility study is what private sector investors and decision makers are seeking.

 

Visions:

Restore a vibrant economy to Humboldt County.

Assist economic development in Northern California Counties and the Sacramento valley.

Passenger trains, whistle stops, fiber optic lines, human and horse trails, fire suppression access, and more.

Being the most recently built, the rail and port system will be a state of the art, green port.

 

Question: What do we export from here that would warrant the money needed to build the rail line?

Answer: Building the rail line will be financed by imports from Asia, and exports from the United States. Access to the world markets for our local goods will be an added benefit.

Question: What business’s do we currently have that need the rail line to supply them?

Answer: Since nearly everything in Humboldt County has to be hauled in and out, it is likely almost all business’s will benefit from a more direct transportation route.

 

Question: What happens to the long hauler trucks that currently bring goods in?

Answer: In the last 10 to 15 years several trucking companies have left Humboldt County amounting to hundreds of jobs lost. Having a lousy economy hasn’t helped.

Nearly everything we consume here has to be hauled in. It is predicted by most experts, including Cal Trans, and the local trucking industry, that with the boost the railroad will bring, trucking will more than double.

 

Question: How do you plan to get the land for this boondocks boondoggle?

Answer: From willing land owners.

 

Question: From which taxpayers’ pockets do you expect to obtain the millions (or billions) of dollars needed for this choo-choo to nowhere?

Answer: If the taxpayers decide to build this railroad, it will come from them.

 

Question: How does “small government” fit in with this programme?

Answer: The more people working in the private sector means less need for Government programs resulting in smaller Government.

 

Question: If you really are feeling terribly constrained by the lack of a railroad here to do your business, please explain in detail why you and your business can’t move nearer to a train?

Answer: I am retired and do not run a business here. My interest in this endeavor is to bring back the healthy economy I remember in my youth. I would like to see our kids have the option to stay here and have living wage jobs.

 

Question: Are you willing to wait the 25+ years it will take to build this project to benefit some business you are in now?

 

Answer: Yes.

Question: What was your IQ the last time it was tested?

Answer: I worked in sawmills and the woods for over thirty years, I am still alive, and have all my fingers.

 

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10 thoughts on “More East West Railroad Q & A from Rail Promoter Monte Provolt

  1. Come on Teluwhat how about a little less sophomoric journalism. Your insulting approach reveals what little you really have to say.
    I have no idea if a train is feasible or not but you are failing any credibility test with your complete lack of any respect.
    Presumably you added (alleged) to the facts. The tired and lame attempt to discredit what Monte is bringing forward is getting old and transparent. Either provide a real argument or try another method. Sheesh!

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    • Mr. Driscoll, we (the readers and commenters) have been providing real arguments from the beginning. To say that we haven’t is disingenuous at best.

      You’ve further lost it in your complaints about “sophomoric journalism.” The Tuluwat Examiner has never said it was practicing journalism to begin with; it’s just a blog, plain and simple.

      Since you don’t know that distinction I can only assume your judgement on the merits or lack thereof of the TE’s approach to Mr. Provolt is probably also flawed.

      I admit Mr. Provolt has smoothed out his propaganda a bit. Perhaps he is getting some help putting his thoughts into words. Okay, more power to him.

      The only relatively new argument he proposes is Humboldt Bay is a day closer to Asia (which is a big place, but what the heck, I’ll go with it) and therefore more competitive with the Bay Area.

      If that’s the truth, then some harbor in Oregon or Washington State (by Mr. Provolt’s reasoning) will cut our throats (being further north and therefore closer to Asia).

      The rest has already been asked and answered multiple times here in the Tuluwat Examiner. I do not see the point in rehashing it here, especially since I know by previous experience we will not get a straight response from Mr. Provolt anyway.

      Mr. Driscoll, I think the Tuluwat Examiner has shown remarkable patience with Mr. Provolt, providing him a forum to give his arguments. I do not believe the Tuluwat Examiner is also expected to act like it takes Mr. Provolt seriously.

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    • Ok, all is right with the world again, Uri Driscoll does like us or the way we blog.
      BTW our name is The Examiner, Tutuwat is the location.
      We have never pretended to be journalists, like say Chiv, we’re a freakin’ blog!
      It’s our blog but we’ve chosen to give Monty a forum to present his ideas. He’s free to defend is positions and usually does.
      We put alleged in front of his so called facts because they’re his assertions, not proven facts.
      We appreciate the on going debate with Monty and have gained a certain respect for him and his willingness to engage.

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    • Uri, does this comment help you determine whether this proposal is economically feasible?

      Question: From which taxpayers’ pockets do you expect to obtain the millions (or billions) of dollars needed for this choo-choo to nowhere?

      Answer: If the taxpayers decide to build this railroad, it will come from them.

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  2. I have never agreed with Uri before but his comment is right on . Show some respect, indeed!

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  3. Actually he swiped the questions from the comments before. So that’s plagiarism along with lazy thinking. Glad you still have your fingers, sorry for your lobotomy.

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  4. Ok I’ll bite. What of the five facts that Monte presents warrant the (alleged) designation? Or was it one of those simple minded tricks to try to discredit information.
    My apologies for suggesting that the “Examiner” had any journalistic tendencies.
    Kudos to the Examiner for at least letting Monte share his perspective. I can’t say I know Monte well but he seems to have a lot of patience. He also has my respect whether a train ever comes back or not.
    I must say I like the idea of a train filling the huge transportation gap we have in Humboldt. The Feasibility study should be interesting. This new one includes way more than the little Harbor District one that left out a lot of vital components.

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  5. Humboldt Bay is small and shallow. How many container ships could be in the harbor at one time, waiting to be unloaded/loaded? Is there even room to turn one around and head it back out?

    It’s about 225 nm from Humboldt Bay to SF Bay. At normal cruising speed that’s less than ten hours – if a freighter reaches land at Humboldt and then continues down the coast. Less, perhaps much less, if the route is more angular. Looking at what I can find on shipping routes it looks like most transport uses a variation of the ‘Great Circle’ route and adjusting the route to strike land at SF would mean only small increase in distance.

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  6. We should soon know if the Hyperloop will work. If it does then how we deal with freight will massively change. Even if we don’t go ‘underwater’ with the system it’s much more likely that we’ll see our major West Coast freight terminals in Southern Alaska.

    Container ships from China and other northern Pacific companies would likely travel to the closest spot on North America. Containers would be offloaded into the “tubes” and continue their travel at 600 miles an hour.

    China and Russia are currently designing a Hyperloop system to move freight between their two countries. We could reach a point in the next 25 where freight moves between China, South Korea, Japan and North America by ‘loop. Shipping time between Shanghai to LA would drop from around ten days to less than 24 hours given a ~50 mile tunnel across the Bering Strait. And move using far less energy.

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  7. I retired and sold my business in Eureka of 24 years. I moved to the big island of Hawaii a few years ago near Hilo. Humboldt is isolated from almost all it’s consumer goods, very much like on the big island is. We have to wait for things to be shipped and store shelves remain empty until the next container arrives, that goes for Walmart and Home depot as well. We pay a 10% to 20% premium on everything. Our gas prices are about the same as Humboldt gas, which is barged in. Containers go back to the Matson docks empty to be filled again and brought back here again. The island population is about the same as Humboldt so the amount of goods used is equivalent. A lot of people here use Amazon prime to get around shipping charges but how much stuff can you buy that way? Shipping in and out of out of the way places costs more for everyone. Hilo is a very busy port and is much bigger than Humboldt bay could ever be. Two tour ships a week come to the island, which Eureka has tried and failed at. It’s harbor is just too small no matter how many improvements are made. Who ever is promoting this concept needs a reality check. The amount of containers trucked into Humboldt will be absorbed by a rail line but it is a limited amount and economically is not cost effective in relation to the cost of building the rail line. The idea does not pencil out.

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