California has the strictest Timber Harvest reg’s in the country, apparently that doesn’t mean shit

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With Charles Hurwitz and Pacific Lumber in our rearview mirror, many thought they didn’t have to continue worrying about the continued wholesale destruction of our privately-owned, state regulated forest lands.

Well not so fast folks! Turns out there’s plenty of bad actors still around;

Sierra Pacific Industries, Green Diamond Resource Company, Mendocino Redwood Co, Humboldt Redwood Co. and the State of California itself.

wide spread clearcuts

The Examiner staff was doing some research around a recent post about the Stinging Mettle blog. During the research, we found this nugget and wanted to pass it along to our readers. If you’re interested in knowing about the current large scale Timber Harvest Plans in Northern California and potentially in your backyard or near one of your favorite places, take a look at these fantastic sties:

The Blog:

The THP Tracker:

The THP interactive viewer and map:


Thanks to the THP bloggers and keep up the great work!


21 thoughts on “California has the strictest Timber Harvest reg’s in the country, apparently that doesn’t mean shit

  1. Great links TE. It’s funny how many folks on the right complain that the “libtards” have destroyed the logging industry, even though there’s still so darn much logging going on. Google maps is an eye opener if people want to take the time to look.

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  2. Apparently you know nothing about the timber reg’s in California. They are extremely restrictive and require many environmental studies done by numerous agencies before the plans are approved. The harvests are performed with the utmost care, with little or no impact to the environment and a good portion of the proceeds are used to make improvements to watersheds and to plant new trees for the future. Trees are a renewable resource, they grow back. Your pictures of logging are small potatoes to what is being done other places around the world. Wouldn’t you rather sustainably harvest timber here where it sustains local jobs that provide for local families and our economy? Or maybe you don’t give a shit.

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    • The problem, as it has always been, is cumulative effects. There have been a number of studies that point out that the rates of harvest under the CFPRs are far above what is appropriate to maintain a healthy aquatic ecosystem. And your argument that we should log here because we screw it up less than other places is a fallacious argument and/or red herring. If you are so concerned about local jobs then why are you sending all of the trees overseas on ships?

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      • The export log market is cyclical. Export happens when domestic markets are deflated to the prices export markets can purchase logs. Slowly that price rises and then domestic markets come into play. Nothing new. Also nothing new is the lack of a solution environmentalists can agree on or even put forward. Don’t come to the table with a complaint and no solution. Everything done in the images above was done legally, through numerous permits, with the approval of numerous state and federal agencies and to FSC standards. Care to offer what can be done to change this to something even more palatable?


    • Does a stream turbidity test mean anything to you? How’s about canopy?

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  3. Not only big companies but environmentalist are logging too. Ask Sanctuary Forest or is it Sanctuary Forest Products? I don’t see their THPs on the map.

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    • I’m not sure Sanctuary Forest is the go-to environmental group. From my understanding the McKee family plays a significant role in their organization and I am guessing they are as or more interested in making sure their properties can generate income and or maintain or increase in value. Not always compatible with environmental concerns.


      • Just because somebody harvest some timber does not mean they are harming the environment. Look at arcata forest.


  4. Regarding CA Timber Harvest regulations: The so-called regulatory agencies in CA (CDF, Fish and Game, et al) RUBBER STAMP corporate/industrial timber harvest plans. While surveys are required, once the surveys are done, usually corporate timber is allowed to then destroy most of what they surveyed! Such things like “Incidental Take Permits” allow for this horrendous practice.

    The title of the Tuluwat Examiner’s article is accurate in that the regulations “don’t mean shit.” In most other states, where the land that companies want to log is not privately owned, at least the public can go on the land and survey themselves, ground truth, learn information that might impede destructive logging plans. But not here, where the timber companies (think they) own the land, air, and water. (Note: Timber Sales occur when logging in National Forest, for instance, are awarded to the highest bidding logging company. Those corporate logging plans on PUBLICLY “owned” property ALSO result in clear cuts, massive kills of endangered species and their habitat, destabilizing already unstable slopes, bald mountains, contaminated and sediment-filled rivers, etc.)

    Whoever wants to brag about how stringent the timber harvest regulations are in CA is ignoring the loss of fishing, hunting, healthy forest, air quality, stable hillsides, jobs, etc. caused by CORPORATE / INDUSTRIAL logging. This is not to say there hasn’t been tons of good work, legally and through direct action and campaigning, to curb some of the crazy (suicidal/ecocide) logging practices, to force the State to consider cumulative effects…but the Earth and waters are still being clearcut, poisoned, heated up, stripped of its oldest beings, made uninhabitable- right here in CA. When regulatory agencies and big timber interests are in bed together, regulations “don’t mean shit.”

    When will the “settler” folks here every learn?

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  5. Really? What a lazy blog post


    • B. Lazy? I wouldn’t call it that. Passionate, yes.

      The commenter might not have the experience you do – OK – doesn’t, but if you are right, then we need to hear from you.

      I liken this to the GMO debate where I feel as a one time science student I can say it’s on “us” as the scientific community to explain/educate.

      If there really are best practices going on out there, we should know about it. Contrary to Humhung above, most of us understand that timber harvests are a good thing. We are not talking about National Parks here, we are talking about a new living/breathing forest that has it’s top predator now as it’s manager.

      Let’s do this right so these forests are here for 1000 generations of trees, not just then next 10. To do this, we’ll need input from on the ground people like you, and if those who have their heart in the right place aren’t exactly correct and are asking for too much, let us know why so we can have the debate.

      So we can work toward a sustainable future.


      • Didn’t I say timber harvest was ok like arcata forest? Look at the air photo and tell me that is sustainable and healthy especially for watersheds. You are no scientist unless you call a forester a scientist which I do not.

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  6. “Don’t come to the table with a complaint and no solution.” (Gifford).

    Why would the people sitting around the regulatory table come up with solutions for which there were no complaints?

    A chorus of scientists are confirming that nature is currently batting last while local logging buffs still sing their tired tune, the same pin heads that once angrily denied that the old growth, salmon, biodiversity and water would ever deplete.

    All accomplished in one short human lifetime.

    If they were honestly interesting in jobs, they would be demanding that their nation and community immediately begin catching up to other nations that are decades ahead in developing green economies.

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    • Yet, you still fail to offer potential solutions to your complaints on industrial forestry! I read the piece on the MRC hack and squirt issue in Comptche. The article read like a group of community members got together and bitched about how they don’t like it. No mention of what they would prefer as another alternative to bringing back balance to hardwood dominated forests. Let’s look at some of the issues identified from the comments for this article and I’ll offer potential solutions. We can have a rational debate, maybe:

      –JP complains about “there’s still so darn much logging going on”. How about increasing the adjacency restraints between clearcuts? How about increasing the minimum age of clearcuts or rotation age or re-entry interval between selection harvests?

      –Lewis Reef points out “There have been a number of studies that point out that the rates of harvest under the CFPRs are far above what is appropriate to maintain a healthy aquatic ecosystem.” If that is true why not go to battle with the Board of Forestry. Activists decry the “rubber stamping” of THPs and how the State blocks any new regs, but the hard truth is that the BOF is a government agency at the end of the day. They are like any stubborn government agency and any change is going to be hard and take a long time.

      –Verbena points out the typical “rubber stamp” chide. Folks what you see on Google Earth and the THP tracker and CalFire’s THP website is what gets approved and logged. What you don’t see is the hard work put into environmental review, the many compromises made between companies, agencies AND the public, and the many acres of industrial forest set aside as non-harvestable for many reasons that involve slope stability, sensitive species and adjacent landowners.

      You gotta problem? Go do something about it.


      • The Board of Forestry(BoF) is made up of industry leaders. Fox in the henhouse. And basically nothing will happen now that they have assurances in HCPs. Except perhaps on SPI land. But again BoF is a joke. NMFs has consistently testified that the cfprs harm salmon and habitat. If they can’t do anything how can an individual?


  7. Fsc is a joke with a board composed of logging companies. There are plenty of examples of sustainable forestry around if you want to see e.g., the aforementioned arcata forest, or many ntmp forest landowners. It’s all about cumulative effects. We still have sediment clogging our streams from the large floods yet those cumulative effects aren’t even considered. There are no conifers in many of our riparian areas but those cumulative effects aren’t considered. The riparian forests and hillslopes are now composed of water sucking deciduous forests and mini trees that dramatically reduce water in the summer by large increase in evapotranspiration yet those effects aren’t considered. It’s not pot growers that are drying up streams it’s clear cuts. Then the r e are the roads and the fallacy of hydrological disconnection from the stream network. Cumulative effects have destroyed our salmon runs all in the name of maximum profit in the shortest time.


    • More laziness. Water Sucking deciduous trees? LOL There is a strong body of science that shows clear-cuts increase peak flows in watersheds.But by all means, keep shooting from the hip. Obviously anyone who is in the forest industry is a well paid industry shill – and you are always right!


      • Immediately after, yes. But once the young trees start growing they use more water. Peak flows increase immediately after clear cuts but summer low flows decrease. Look at the research before you open your pie hole


  8. Look people, while I am not an expert on the situation on the East Side – where the picture of clear cuts above is from (Shasta County), I can say that here on the North Coast we have 1.5 million acres of timberland in Humboldt. Of that, about 1/3 is in public ownership and will be managed for late seral forest values. Another 1/3 is in non-industrial ownerships, small landowners, ranchers, etc.. The remaining 1/3 is industrial ownerships. HRC, GD, SPI. And about 40% of that land (HRC) is using selection only. So a pretty small amount of the timber resource being managed intensively. I believe this is a good balance. I also am OK with areas being managed as industrial forests – as long as we have adequate preserves, which we do in North Coast CA.

    Get in your google earth machine and start somewhere in freshwater. Look at the historic PL clear Cuts. Then fly north into Green Diamond more recent cuts. Then fly north to Oregon, then Washington. There the vast majority of private land is managed intensively. Simpson, weyerhaeuser, Cascadia Pacific, etc… Notice how the Clear Cuts go from 20 acres to over 100 acres? Little to no riparian strip? And certainly no adjacency rules. Then keep going into Canada. Yeh, now you are looking at clear cuts! The largest logging deck in the world is in BC. And if you really care, type in deforestation into your search engine and learn about where forest practices are really a problem, like Siberia, Indonesia and the Philippines. Then, just then you may start to understand the scales of impact we are dealing with as humankind, and where FSC and other regulators are coming from.

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    • Does it really matter to those fish that are being hosed in those watersheds whether someone else does a worse job? No, it doesnt. A 5 year adjacency requirement is a joke. Anybody that has flown out of Mckinleyville over green diamond land knows what the issues are. Interestingly many of the industrial timberland owners don’t allow clear and accurate pics of their lands on Google earth.


    • And people need to know that green diamond and hrc do not have to adhere to cfprs because they have hcps. The rules for green diamond land are actually offer less protection than current cfprs.


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