Cannabis Voice brings their Snake Oil wagon to town

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An embarrassing spectacle took place at the Board of Supervisors Tuesday afternoon, when California Cannabis Voice of Humboldt packed the chambers with their members and supporters.

We say embarrassing because “our” representatives were (falling all over themselves) competing with each other to see who grovel the best in front of Luke Bruner, the pitchman for this group. At the same time, they continued their childish bickering with Supervisor Lovelace. The only moment of truth or clarity came when Rex Bohn likened Bruner to a “traveling revivalist.” Bohn’s comment was right on the money, and characterized Bruner for exactly what he appears to be; a traveling “snake oil” salesman with a cure that is sure to kill you (or more likely, our local watersheds and forests).

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Bruner mostly spent his time painting a picture of these “poor farmers” who generate millions (he said billions) in grey market revenue and just want respect.(ala Rodney Dangerfield)

Bruner brought forward their sixth “draft” of their purposed ballot initiative. This sixth draft, in the same tradition of the five drafts before, failed to address the big issues of Environmental degradation, revenue for regulation and any kind of limit on how many people can be involved in their profit making ventures.

Don’t misunderstand the Examiner Staff, we are fully behind legalization of cannabis. However, we are very skeptical of Bruner and company (CCVH). We resent this Board of Supervisors kicking the can down the road and letting this industry regulate itself. Locally, that kind of self regulation sure didn’t work out so well for us with the Timber Industry.

Cannabis legalization is coming. Destruction of our local environment by some greedy irresponsible growers is already happening. There is no doubt that this underground soon to be “above ground” industry needs to be regulated. However, should this regulation be at the expense of the environment in order to appease California Cannabis Voice? Absolutely not!

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26 thoughts on “Cannabis Voice brings their Snake Oil wagon to town

  1. The Tuluwat Examiner hit the nail on the head. I do not always agree with your posts but you got my thumbs up on this one. Now if you would only call out Thad G and Hank S on selling out the people to be on a police interview panel, I’d have more respect for you.

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  2. I didn’t hear the presenter, but I concur completely with the points you’ve made.

    Pot growers have had plenty of time(and money) to act responsibly and self regulate themselves. They’ve chose not to, despite many, many opportunities to do so. Its too late for them to redeem themselves. They now need to “go quietly into that dark night”.

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    • It’s almost taken for granted that pot money has fueled environment reforms, especially re timber industry practices, for years.

      Need to turn up the heat on the environmentalist industry (is what it is) to account for their financial connections and what does that buy?. They do have the creds and experience to formulate effective action and policy. They just need the incentive($$$) and will. Where will that come from?

      Growers are never going to regulate anything they do. Moved up here 35 years ago and it didn’t take long to figure out that the so-called hippie, left-leaning, back-to-the-lander, pot pioneers had more in common with wall street than they knew. Regarded themselves as “pure capitalists”, as if that was a good thing.

      Their offspring and grandoffspring are not surprisingly, and with few exceptions, spoiled selfish brats whose politics, if they have any, wallow in the shallow end of the libertarian swimmin’ hole . Nope. No regulations needed here, either.

      On second thought; where does the environmental industry get its funding? Can’t be lawsuits alone?

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      • “Growers are never going to regulate anything they do.”

        And yet it’s this grower-based CCVH group that is the only group proposing regulations. The enviro groups and the previous center-left Board of Supervisor majorities failed to do so for years and years, which is why we are where we are now.

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    • lumping pot growers in one basket as if they dance to anybody’s tune, certainly not Mark’s, it is silly and does not recognize the good people from the bad ones and doesn’t get us anywhere, it’s polarizing and paralyzing, yetis always horked up on this topic….

      It’s the bad ones that need correction, we have seen no end of people like Marks trying to co-op that argument.

      Like what we are seeing in Washington State right now, there will be another flood of initiative bullshiters to further confuse and misdirect people and legalization.
      That is in parallel with efforts by big business interests to use the same reform language and similar gibberish to try to get laws passed to give them monopoly power in the pot business..’because only responsible business interests are qualified to protect..’ and other such nonsense.

      Lobbyists get paid to pull crap like that off, California is rich….in lobbyists.

      Expect it at every turn.

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    • With all due respect, NAN, that really doesn’t make much sense. Some pot growers do “self-regulate” and practice good stewardship, but without an ordinance there was no realistic way for the good actors to change the behavior of the bad actors, so it’s a bit ridiculous to fault them for failing to do the impossible.

      Meanwhile, successive Board of Supervisors (both previous center-left ones, and the current center-right / libertarian-leaning one) could have passed regulations — strict, lax, or whatever — anytime they wanted to… but years and years have passed, and they just never got around to it.

      So now here comes this CCVH group, basically grower-based from what I understand, and they’re actually proposing some good rules (not perfect, but certainly better than the status quo, IMHO) and here you are telling them they should “go quietly into that dark night.”

      Here’s a better idea: If you don’t think the rules they’re proposing are good enough, how about proposing better ones, putting them in writing, subjecting them to public scrutiny, and of offering them to the voters.

      If what you propose is better than what the CCVH is proposing, I’d be happy to support your proposal. But if what we have to choose from is the CCVH proposal, which I see as imperfect, but a good first step in the right direction), or the continued nothingness of the county’s current non-policy, I’m inclined to go with CCVH’s something over your nothing.

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      • Sparky,
        “Self regulation” of a group of people engaged in an activity doesn’t refer simply to an individual’s choices. It refers to the group establishing ‘best practices’, complying with them and sanctioning/persuading/exposing those in the group who don’t.

        Pot growers pride themselves on being outlaws and independent of outside authority. So they’ve chosen to operate highly lucrative illegal enterprises to have a lifestyle with those values. For most, if pot is completely legalized, they will move on to so other lucrative illegal activity.

        Established environmental regulations for land use have been codified for many years. But pot growers choose to ignore them unless its just coincidental that being in compliance is easiest or gets them more $$$. There’s no need for special environmental pot regulations, Outdoors its agriculture, indoors its industrial.

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      • NAN 9:27
        “if pot is completely legalized, they will move on to so other lucrative illegal activity.”

        “The Slippery Slope is a fallacy in which a person asserts that some event must inevitably follow from another without any argument for the inevitability of the event in question. In most cases, there are a series of steps or gradations between one event and the one in question and no reason is given as to why the intervening steps or gradations will simply be bypassed. This “argument” has the following form:

        Event X has occurred (or will or might occur).
        Therefore event Y will inevitably happen.

        This sort of “reasoning” is fallacious because there is no reason to believe that one event must inevitably follow from another without an argument for such a claim. This is especially clear in cases in which there is a significant number of steps or gradations between one event and another.”

        Now why don’t you take your fallacy, stick it where it belongs and then go stalk Kym some more, I especially like the one where you blamed her for all the trash being dumped in So Hum but didn’t say a word when they went back and finished cleaning up that trash pile that had been sitting there for years without anyone doing anything about it.

        Sorry TE, I don’t normally go for personal attacks but I’m tired of this weirdo assuming that all growers are the same and I’m especially tired of him Stalking Kym over something that she isn’t responsible for.

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  3. I agree with Not A Native. How much is Richard Marks being paid for his consultancy? What has he promised the snake oil salesmen?

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  4. I think this is a great post too. So glad most of us see this snake oil-man ship. Richard Marks – are you reading? Truth – you beat me to this point.

    Richard emailed me that he is currently not being paid for the record. Seems like an odd cause to stick one’s neck out for based only on principle. I think someone pointed out to RM the incongruity and possible illegality of being a lobbyist and an elected official.

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  5. Liberal Man on Bike, formerly known as Liberal Jon, has been advocating for the environmentalists to stand up to the growers for a long time. He has also persistently exposed the duplicity of Richard Marks and Matthew Owen trying to take over the HCDCC with DINOs. Richard Marks is now censoring posts calling him out on his blog. Will Houston is a good reporter but Richard Marks thinks so because Will Houston did a story on King Marks’ pet project. The rest of the media didn’t jump to King Marks’ bidding. Ryan Burns did an article on concerns about this snake oil organization. He needs to do a follow-up. The Tuluwat Examiner stands up for the People. The rest of the media needs to do the same or they are bought and paid for by the kingmakers and growers. Tuluwat Examiner has earned my trust.

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  6. What’s up with Ryan’s juvenile rivalry with Mark? and what was up with Virginia’s over the top blubbering apology to John Chiv?
    Embarrassing is the right word for this ship of fools

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  7. on the similar topic of ‘creepy lobbyists and the monsters they work for’, the FCC just eliminated state’s rights to fark with local municipal and county broadband offings, something Eureka is foolish not to install and be noisy about doing so.

    Having good and inexpensive and fast internet is an excellent selling point to a better business climate and a more informed and active citizenry. It would help offset the image of a remote inaccessible backwater. Active retirees, work from home…

    ugh, National Journal article about it:

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/tech/the-future-of-broadband/feds-nullifies-state-laws-on-city-internet-20150226

    daily kos article with comments and links:
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/02/26/1367039/-FCC-Nullifies-State-Laws-Preempting-Local-Internet-Service

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  8. Pete, you have nothing but juvenile comebacks. So I will say this in words you get, grow a pair. Even then man would be a loose term for you.You talk big behind this screen but all you do is bend over for Mark and growers. Making a difference is what Tuluwat has done by challenging the powers to be. Think you could actually achieve something, once.

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  9. The reason that this CCVH group is in a position to (possibly) be the authors the county’s cannabis policy is that the Board of Supervisors has repeatedly, and for many years now, failed to do so themselves. Not just the current center-right / libertarian leaning board majority (Sundberg, Bass, Bohn / Fennell), but the center-left board majorities that preceded it (including Lovelace, Neeley, Smith, and Clendenen). Which has left a huge vacuum that this group is proposing to fill with their proposed ordinance.

    I get the concern over having industry-involved people write the regulations that would govern their industry, believe me I do. But the past and current Boards of Supervisors bear a lot of responsibility for dropping the ball — and then leaving it laying there on the ground year after year — and the rest of us who voted for them and let them get away with ignoring such a crucial issue for so long, are also to blame.

    The good news is the voters of Humboldt County will be the ones to approve or disapprove the ordinance, because it’s being put forward as a ballot initiative. And it sounds like the backers have agreed to make sure it’s clear the Supervisors will be able to amend it. So that leaves us, the public, two very important avenues to approve/disapprove, and push for changes.

    I will also point out that there is nothing to prevent anyone from putting forward a competing ballot initiative, or for that matter putting forward a new one in the future that would repeal and replace this one if it passes. Easy to criticize, and I agree with at least some of the criticisms of the previous drafts, but I’d like to see some of the critics show the courage and intellectual integrity put their own proposals in writing and subject them to the same kind of scrutiny.

    At least to me, the bottom line is that if no competing initiatives are available, then the question facing voters isn’t whether the CCVH-crafted initiative is perfect, or even great, it’s whether it’s better than the status quo of no policy and no real regulation at all, which what several successive Board of Supervisors majorities of varying political orientations have left us with, through their utter failure to come up with any policy.

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  10. In the end California will vote yes to legalization and with it will come state wide regulation. So what is presented to the board of sups makes no difference, as state regs will trump any local ideas. It is just talk and and nothing behind it. Nice way to study the interaction between the sups and themselves and the sups and the public however. These Humboldt County actors should do a movie.

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  11. One of Rex Bohn’s first priorities was to eliminate long-time Planning Commissioner Denver Nelson who advocated for water carrying capacity studies for decades.

    Advanced degrees, (and especially science), traditionally annoys Humboldt County’s elected and appointed officials.

    The formidable obstacle to passing and enforcing low-impact environmental regulations for Marijuana farms is the obvious necessity that they apply equally to all environmentally irresponsible behavior, thus, an uncomfortable imposition upon the “rural lifestyle” of some of the wealthiest right and left wingers in this county.

    Free-range livestock use streams as highways and toilets, large commercial and residential gardens, farms, orchards, and vineyards are unregulated cumulative sources of phosphates, fertilizers, herbicides, and pesticides, their unregulated water extraction, ponds, trout farms, Olympic pools, as well as, their roads and buildings, represent the identical incremental pollution, habitat loss, and water depletion that devastated rural Southern California, a seemingly unstoppable worldwide phenomenon.

    Will the careless MJ grows be a blessing in disguise?

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  12. Where did you get the image for dehydrated water?
    I want more information about it.

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