If the Blue Heron Motel really is closed; that’s one down and 100’s to go

blue heron

The Deluxe Blue Heron Motel and full service spa looking particularly spiffy on google earth

2200 block of broadway

ncj photo

With the news that Slumlords Floyd and Betty Squire’s breeding ground for crime might potentially be shut down. Maybe Eureka can start to address its City wide glut of substandard “crime breeding” slum housing. Most of the criminal activity that gets blamed on the houseless citizens of Eureka is actually being committed by the residents of these, not up to code, cockroach infested, flop houses, dotting Eureka’s landscape.

Much of Eureka’s public safety resources are spent responding to crimes, overdoses and beatings at these locations.

Eureka has made noise about cleaning up this situation up in the past only to have these powerful property owners fight back both legally and politically. For the last couple of decades the slum lords have prevailed. Maybe with the makeup of this new city council the opportunity is there to finally turn this around.

blue heron on fire

Fire trucks are always there

Note to “Eureka Citizen” maybe your time would be better spend going after these profiteer slumlords than their victims (panhandlers)


31 thoughts on “If the Blue Heron Motel really is closed; that’s one down and 100’s to go

  1. If the people living in these places and causing all the problems can’t stay where they are, where might they end up moving to? Right next door to you? I can’t help but wonder if it wouldn’t make sense to just keep them where they are so the problems are more centralized to one location?

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    • That’s a great idea Fred! Right now, the flophouse’s and nasty hotels are spread throughout the city. Eureka shouldn’t be enforcing the codes and regulations that require things like windows, locking doors, pest control, insulation, non exposed wiring, working plumbing,etc. The people who live in those places should instead be forced to live in slums, but slums located in one central area.

      I see where you’re going Fred. Make an area, or “district” where they will be easier to contain from the “regular” citizen. If they beg for food or money, make them register with the police and where a special ribbon so that they are easy to recognize as lawful panhandlers!

      For some reason I think I read about actions like these taking place in Europe about 80 years ago????

      Fred the libertarian? No…Fascist Freddy more like it

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    • You’re full of shit, JP. That’s not at all what I’m asking, but realize you have a problem with reading comprehension.

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    • you mean a Ghetto Fred? great idea except that’s whats already happened and it’s called EUREKA


  2. “Right next door to you? I can’t help but wonder if it wouldn’t make sense to just keep them where they are so the problems are more centralized to one location?”

    Full of shit….problems with reading comprehension? The above quote is from you Fred. It is plainly written, so I took it at face value.

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  3. I see the point I believe Fred is making. In fact it is one I’ve made before (forgive me Fred if I put words into your mouth that are not backed by your own thoughts).

    We shut down the Blue Heron. That is good. The problem is; where do the troublesome former residents go? They don’t just dissolve off the face of the earth.

    I remember the city-wide joy when the Triangle and Anderson Motels both met their un-regretted ends. And yet where are we now?

    I think Fred asks (again forgive me Fred if I got it wrong or if I insult you by speaking for you without being asked) when the Blue Heron is gone… what’s going to be different?

    But I don’t agree with Fred’s notion of centralizing the problem people. It’s human to hide away our problems, dust off our hands and say “Out of sight, out of mind.”

    A lot of things are human of which we should not be proud.

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    • Thanx, Mola, you’ve pretty much got the gist of the point I was trying to make. The people who cause the problems in those places don’t do it because of the places they’re living in. They cause the problems because that’s the way those people are. The problems might well continue no matter where they’re living.

      As far as “centralizing” those problems, what’s wrong with that? Might be better than spreading them across town.

      I recall back in the police academy being told of the old Vista Del Mar bar down on the waterfront. That was a generator of call after call to police. I was told police eventually just hung out in the parking lot whenever possible because they knew they’d likely be called there, anyway.

      Not sure how many rooms in the Blue Heron, but lets say there are ten. Wouldn’t it be more efficient and cost effective to just be going one place rather than driving to the ten different places all over town those residents end up relocating to? And, no, I wouldn’t want them moving in to my neighborhood.

      Yep, I remember the Triangle Motel. I’m not sure I remember the Anderson.

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    • Fred:

      As yes… the Vista Del Mar. At the cab company we called it the “Mudflats”. When called to that place we used the “three second rule”. We’d walk in, make sure we had solid wood at our backs and yell “CAB” at the top of our lungs. If no one responded in three seconds…. we were gone.

      The Anderson Motel was on the other side of town, near the Red Lion. I can’t remember exactly where it was because they did a good job of wiping out that place’s memory.

      I agree that those folks are not likely to go away… but I also agree with Old Sam… we just can’t say, “These people are scum therefore we’ll turn a blind eye to the violations.”

      The answers are deeper than closing a motel and knocking down a building. For the most part, the answers are deeper than me.

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    • Where was the Anderson Motel?


  4. I doubt if the problem will ever go away . It’s probably part of a society that there will always be people for many reasons fall through the cracks. What I have a problem with is people thinking it’s ok to have substandard living conditions for people who are down and out. Does that mean we should allow substandard conditions at restaurants so they have a place to eat or we should have substandard medical care for them ? There is no simple easy answer BUT we do have to try and help them. They are people not some substandard excuse for us to not fully care.

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  5. “They cause the problems because that’s the way those people are. The problems might well continue no matter where they’re living.”

    That statement by fredtyg defies all wisdom, rational thought, research, and reality.

    (But maybe they teach you to defy those things in the police academy)


    • Don’t always agree with you Verbena, but in this case I do. Sorry Mola, I know you were trying you’re best to take an impartial and rational view of Fred’s comments, but I disagree with your take.

      Fred would like “them” and “they” who “cause problems” and can’t afford to pay high rent to be rounded up and put in a centralized area. A centralized area not in his neighborhood. On top of that, Fred doesn’t want too many regulations from the government regarding living conditions and minimum standards for housing (Fred’s pseudo libertarian doctrine).

      Those ideals were espoused in Nazi Germany. Except in this case, the “them” that would be forced into the ghettos are poor people from every race, creed, color, etc, etc.

      Fred is representing the regular face of class warfare in America, and he’s not even in the 1%. Good going citizen Fred, the rich and their government will protect you from “them” and their unsightliness.

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    • JP:

      I must have done a poor job expressing myself.

      I remember very well when Old Town was “the Deuce”. That was where Eureka put as many of their bad eggs that could fit in there and call the job done.

      I do not want to go back to that. As I have said elsewhere… our culture loves to segregate-away it’s problems and call the issue solved.

      As I have also said… the solution is much deeper than ripping down a few buildings and/or closing a few motels. There are reasons why poor people, addicted people or destructive people are out there.

      That is why I believe closing a motel, segregating an area for the naughtiness to be tolerated or making poor people wear colorful ribbons is just not a solution.

      On the other hand I’m happy to see the Blue Heron go away. No one should have to live in substandard housing just because of who they are.

      But don’t expect the problems to go away because the Blue Heron (or any other cockroach trap) has gone.

      JP, I do appreciate your (and most other Tuluwat Examiner reader’s) patience; I know I can be a rather difficult person to make sense of when I am gifting the world with my “wisdom.”

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  6. We need low income and no-income housing that provides stability, shelter, and dignity. Those things do wonders for people’s individual health the the overall health of any community. No more of these rotting, run-down, moldy, broken, wet carpeted, broken plumbing, no appliances crap- that people pay every penny they have for. We need high standard places that provide stability, shelter, and dignity for low or no income, run by people with ethics.

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    • As Agreement wrote, assuming I’m getting him or her right, you can put people up in the nicest place we can afford. They’ll still be the same people and do the same bad things.

      I don’t know what the answer is, but suggesting that all these ills are a landlord’s fault are way off base.


    • If I recall correctly, the Blue Heron received plenty of money from Phil Crandall that would otherwise have gone to general relief recipients. Trick is, if it was cold out, you lost a bunch of money so that DHHS could “shelter” you, and they’d shelter you in places that I wouldn’t want a dog to be sheltered at.

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  7. There is a first time for everything. I agree with Verbena’s comment 2:33 p.m. The problem in Dumboldt is that a few rich folks, liberal and conservative, made a lot of money on the backs of others. They do nothing to invest in the community or help anyone else. Fred is correct. Some people will trash and break laws, no matter what. Verbena and others that ask for accountability are also correct.


    • Yet Floyd Squires Jr., who most would admit rents to people nobody else would, is the bad guy? He may not keep his places up as some do, but he rents to people that otherwise wouldn’t have places to stay.

      That those people cause problems isn’t his fault.


    • Fred,

      Did you say you went to a police academy? The Squires have been breaking the laws of Eureka for a decade. Go arrest some REAL criminals, if you dare, and watch how much support you get from the people who have ignored their crimes for a decade. It might be a learning experience.

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    • Once you’ve taken the Squires off the streets, there are a few buildings downtown where finding a crook would be like shooting fish in a barrel. Just go to the corner of Fifth and F, for example, after 10:30 am and before 3 pm, and you’ll find scores of them.


  8. “Squires gets his rent paid by Humboldt County welfare. At Blue Heron the rent is $675. to $1,000. for a room with a bathroom, NO KITCHEN! Why does the county allow this? ”
    Advocate for the House-less Kathy Anderson NCJ 04/12/2010
    Ya Phil Crandall why do you allow that?

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  9. I would love to see the TE go after Crandall. Just look at his yearly budget.

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  10. It’s disgusting that throughout this conversation, it is assumed that people who end up in the slumlord, illegally kept motels “do bad things.” I’ve known many people (including myself) over the years who are just trying to survive and are not doing any harm to anyone, and end up in one of those shitholes.

    Dignified, stable, healthy housing for all.

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  11. wowie, this was a pretty lively thread and I hope it goes for another while or three.

    I found it interesting that at the same time this is a topic, the woman at the jail trying to get soon to be released inmate’s needs met is also a topic. And..a first time for more than just agreement with Verbena for some, haha, I pretty much always agree with Verbena, just for the record no one keeps, ……here’s a John Chiv article about the jail efforts that definitely need a good good look.


    The cost to house petty criminals is way way way higher, all things added, than if they were just subsidized…in Europe there is some of that, a basic livable support structure so people aren’t as desperate. I’d like to see a good discussion about that possibility.

    I admit even I was twitching to think that seemingly hopeless petty criminals be supported and tracked and looked after to try to break the cycle.
    Yet it would be maybe way cheaper to do so than to do nothing, as now.

    Carrots may be cheaper than sticks it seems.


  12. The other thing about the Blue Heron was that the license is FOR substandard housing, that it is a permit to house people in a less than standard UBC defined housing unit. If you were to try to legally convert a small garage to be a living space the city would curb stomp you for even asking…yet this situation has no real kitchen facilities and is permitted and recognized by this ordinance.

    This shit needs fixing, even the so called ‘granny flats’ require more than this type of allowed permitted accommodation…and yet there is a housing ‘problem’…when long term housing can and IS met by such as the rooms in the Blue Heron…and IF they were cleaned up and made safe…there still could be and perhaps would be and should be a special city work around of the UBC to do so…and here is precedent for just that!
    As an emergency workaround to allow less than UBC and perhaps state and fed required specs for allowable housing, the city’s get leeway for some allowances they can make. It would be a fight, but this is a national problem and there are allies out there to perhaps join with beset cities like Eureka to begin to make some better sense. The entrenched monied interests have had their day…

    I want them to explore just what they can allow for the very urgently needed homeless housing needs. The building industry will scream, the homeowners will scream, the rent sucking landlords will scream…but a step will have been made in the right direction.
    The tiny housing movement deals with all these type obstacles.

    I think the city should condemn these units, fix them, and turn them over to city housing authority and retain an properly valued ownership interest in it and/or either buy the Squires out via eminent domain or arbitration and court orders.
    Charge them an appropriate management fee and have court orders to them to not step foot on it….yet pay them the proceeds they deserve as a silent remote partner.

    The Squires have screwed their own pooch.

    Take it away from them.

    But keep the housing. (and yes, it’s a bad spot for anybody to live no matter how clean and safe the units….other than that…)

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  13. There must be dozens of vacant buildings that Eureka could use Eminent Domain precedent to re-purpose for income-adjusted housing, or tax them for the blight, lost productivity and capital flight they cause.

    Media made sure we’ve forgotten about the 2008 crash and its genesis in thousands of communities like Eureka run by developers and currently tooling-up for the third housing bubble since the 80’s. It’s more profitable to build big homes, big cars, and offer big loans to folks that can’t find anything small enough to afford.

    This is the cost of predatory economic and political corruption.

    Rounding up people into “voluntary” internment camps or “tent cities” should put a shiver down any historian’s spine.

    Ask the Wiyot’s how that went.

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    • Hey here is the chance for Virginia to come to the rescue and we use that beautiful Down Towner motel she seems to have an in with ???? It actually looks more bad off than the Blue Heron….

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  14. The political action group ‘EUREKA CITIZEN’ will be announcing plans to open a new shelter in the City of Eureka.

    Since our group’s first letter to LoCO, our membership numbers have grown to nearly 200 total.

    Our efforts to promote community discussions of public safety, homelessness, panhandling, slum-like motels and blighted buildings, has created a desire for the citizens to be directly involved in cleaning up Eureka on many fronts.

    Through our member contacts in both the business, and private sectors, we are pleased to announce we have raised over $400K in funding toward purchasing a facility within the City of Eureka and open a shelter facility. We hope to have the facility purchased within 60 days, and begin renovations upon close of escrow. The facility will house up to 100 single men, 35 single women, and 25 families. We will be working with several national charities to provide services at this facility.

    As we move forward on this project, we will keep the public informed on progress.

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