Here’s 1000 good reasons to stay anonymous

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http://www.hrw.org/news/2015/01/10/saudi-arabia-free-blogger-publicly-flogged

Raif Badawi, who was sentenced to 1,000 lashes and 10 years in jail, was flogged 50 times. The flogging will be carried out weekly, campaigners say. The flogging took place outside a mosque in the Red Sea city of Jeddah after Friday prayers, witnesses said. AFP news agency, quoting people at the scene, said Mr Badawi arrived at the mosque in a police car and had the charges read out to him in front of a crowd. He was then made to stand with his back to onlookers and whipped, though he remained silent, the witnesses said.

Mr Badawi, the co-founder of a now banned website called the Liberal Saudi Network, was arrested in 2012.

In addition to his sentence, Mr Badawi was ordered to pay a fine of 1 million riyals ($266,000; £175,000).

In 2013 he was cleared of apostasy, which could have carried a death sentence.

Last year Mr Badawi’s lawyer was sentenced to 15 years in prison after being found guilty of a range of offences in an anti-terrorism court, the Associated Press news agency reported.

Badawi has been held since mid-2012 after he founded the Free Saudi Liberals blog. He used it to criticise the kingdom’s influential clerics who follow a strict, conservative interpretation of Islam known as Wahhabism, which originated in Saudi Arabia.

He was originally sentenced in 2013 to seven years in prison and 600 lashes in relation to the charges, but after an appeal the judge stiffened the punishment. Following his arrest, his wife and children left the kingdom for Canada.

Rights groups argue that the case against Badawi is part of a wider crackdown on freedom of speech and dissent in Saudi Arabia since the 2011 Arab Spring uprisings. Criticism of clerics is seen as a red line because of their prestige in the kingdom, as well as their influential role in supporting government policies.

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Raif Badawi with his children

 

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28 thoughts on “Here’s 1000 good reasons to stay anonymous

  1. It would be a three way fight between Mills Arkley and Stephens to see who gets to flog the TE’s ass

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  2. Outside the obvious justification to re-re-invade Iraq, I’ll reserve comment until I hear what our next president, and Saudi familiar, Jebediah Bush has to say about the matter.

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  3. A hundred or a thousand reasons not too… so you could have stood with the two when Captain Stevens was promoted.

    Look around, this isn’t Saudi Arabia.

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    • LJ-

      Good point. This isn’t Saudi Arabia. This is little Humboldt County. The authors of this blog have nothing to fear regarding public flogging .

      However, they might fear losing employment, false arrest, potential acts of vandalism/violence, being forced out of a rental house and the list could go on.

      If this blog has staffers at City Hall, how secure would that person feel in their job? Will the writers of these posts be treated the same as anyone else if pulled over by EPD? Would the powerful business interests try and run a small business owner if they were on the TE staff?

      You make it seem as if there are no consequences for bloggers in the US who are critical of local government or the power brokers. I feel that view is a little naive, with all due respect.

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    • exactly JP, you saved me a lot of time and said it better than I would have, thanks.

      I might have included the threats from people worried about their weed crops, and the racism widely seen in local online comments, that those function or are meant to as threats.

      Another threat is in the form of the police and anyone who has insider, possibly corrupt access to the police resources, such as those available to local LEO thru the Fusion Centers…and considering that we are a special area for the DEA and now that the counterfeit money was found those resources would be thought to be locally available, still, or again…and maybe for political reasons. Cell phone tracking, vehicle tracking, computer id and location..all available to those with a Need To Know.

      And for those who think police resources would never be used to settle personal, religious, or political scores….well, you would be very very wrong.

      Oops!..”because of an anonymous complaint, we are required to respond, sorry, but you will have to comply or pay up to $2500/day for your failure to comply.”…but oh yeah, after you comply and the case is finished you can see the publicly available case file..oh, look, the complainer was a group with several members, so which one complained and what was there motivation?..
      …..oh, gee, ya can’t tell, they are anonymous.

      And all of that is true.

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    • You are so naive and clueless. Read the latest Ferndale Enterprise and learn how a Ferndale gang got Rex Bohn to put pressure on Downy to oust Stuart Titus from public service through a nameless ‘rumbling’ campaign. Downy concocted a compromise that only proves the pressure had effects. Titus has been harmed.

      The HumCo game is power brokers hiding in the shadows,making secret deals to keep power while they smear publicly anonymous whistle blowers as cowards. Predators don’t kill prey by openly approaching. Prey can defend against that. Predators stalk by hiding from prey that are openly going about their business.

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  4. Maybe the Saudis are keeping the gas prices low so the world will be more inclined to not look down upon them for being barbaric in their punishments. A hundred or more years ago the USA could flog prisoners. Maybe in a hundred years the Saudis will ban it. However, I doubt it.

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  5. Your headline suggests that you view the Tuluwat authors need for anonymity as in some way connected to what might be necessary if living in a country that has the death penalty for apostasy. How can you seriously find a connection?

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  6. Been blogging under my own name since 2005. Never had a problem with anyone over it.

    Well, ok. There’s Johnny Maniac. He gives me an earful just about every time I run into him, but that’s kinda fun.

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  7. JP – There is a real concern no doubt. The reality of that concern or fear would be lessened if we all stood up together like a heard. The heard can stand up to the predators which I think is one of the things our republic (or is it democracy in this case?) is about.

    I’ve notice much less fear among the yoots, which is great. Facebook and all that goes with it, they are not afraid and more power to them. Literally.

    BTW, not naive nor particular brave, I just might have less to lose than most. Fun fact. A couple of months ago during a review, my unit supervisor kindly let me know that one of the higher-ups had been paying attention to the times my posts were made. This means someone who knew when I took lunch and cared enough and was powerful enough to ask my supervisor about my schedule. Lesson? Continue to show up for work and work hard at a job I love.

    So I don’t think it’s naiveté, but I back those like Pam Service who stand up for what they believe. If there were more people like Pam we’d be a better place AND I think outside her example which proves the rule I believe the fears may be overblown.

    We are doing pretty good in this country, all things considered. Evidence? The exact article above that is framed to buttress what should be trumpeted as one of our country’s greatest strengths.

    http://www.northcoastjournal.com/humboldt/fight-at-the-museum/Content?oid=2133007

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  8. Ask Ryan Hurley how well Dave Tyson took the news of Ryan’s blogging.

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  9. Excuses, Excuses. Either you have the guts to stand up or you don’t. Don’t expect this to be published since you only approve comments that suit your agenda.

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  10. No one knows who, how or when an individual might stand up, or sit down (Rosa Parks), to make a positive change in their community.

    Anonymity and the popular chatter on blogs merits broad tolerance like free-speech, unless it’s used to commit a crime such as yelling “fire” in a crowded theater.

    Unfortunately, not everyone is tolerant and while it’s not “1,000 lashes”, it is, in fact, the same mind-set required of wannabe petty tyrants (and employers) to act as judge, jury and executioner. For example, the defunct Humboldt Herald blog was suddenly abandoned by posts after its manager began censoring and publishing IP addresses of posts he didn’t like.

    A more recent example shows the absurdity of attempting to assign an identity to an anonymous critic for the purpose of intimidation, again, hardly life-threatening, but the same timeless tyrant M.O.

    Call it “Mr. B.I.G.” (Blog Identity Gestapo).

    see: Anonymous 11/29 and Mitch’s response 11/30) at:

    https://kunsoo1024.wordpress.com/2014/11/28/some-breakdown-on-eureka-cross-votes/#comments

    By far, blog participants have no problem either choosing to respond to an anonymous criticism …or skip it. Searching and publishing IP addresses and assigning real identities to them brings the NSA mentality to the anonymous blogs of rural Humboldt.

    Get over yourself!

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  11. Yogi.

    Everyone has every right to remain anonymous. I simply am saying remaining anonymous alone hurts the left of center cause.

    Here are two reasons why…(both you and JP ignored this (b) in my previous post …

    a) Fear. Fear equates to right wing victories. The more fear, the more people want a power they understand and with whom they can affiliate. This framing of this news story which was also plastered all over the right wing is a perfect example.

    However, they might fear losing employment, false arrest, potential acts of vandalism/violence, being forced out of a rental house and the list could go on.

    or…

    ….not.

    b) Lack of action. If you are anonymous, you can’t show up in our small community without people knowing who you are. You will have to spend as much time spinning your wheels to figure out how to stay anon as you do participating in public activities.

    Let’s take your story from the general public’s point of view. There was some violation. I’m sure we all have them. You fixed it, we moved on, but then you wanted to find out who was behind the report?

    But who in the general public cares? We don’t want to be involved in a feud, what we want is to be involved in is a movement with fellow citizens moving forward for what is best for our community.

    What I’m NOT saying is I am uninterested in unfair or capricious or vindictive use of our regulatory or enforcement agencies. What I would like is to make sure we do have agencies lead by leaders who would regulate fairly. The way we do this is with people, who were treated unfairly to step forward.

    Many of those codes or laws – local, state, or federal are there for important reasons, where they are not, let’s change them.

    The reason this is so important, especially with the example you gave, is your argument overlaps greatly with the Tea Party’s. It’s part of the reason Supervisor Fennell was elected as a Democrat and part of the reason the right wing of HumCo had the popular support to get elected and reverse a forward-looking GPU in favor of a return to 1984 rhetoric and results.

    Here’s an Heraldo article by Peter Childs from 2008 which contains a great deal you might agree with. If you do, I wonder just how much of the agreement has to do with this…”threats from people worried about their weed crops”

    https://humboldtherald.wordpress.com/2008/09/06/united-stand-letter-to-code-enforcement-unit/

    also… this just in… “heard” (as in …of sheep) is actually spelled “herd”. Apologies English language!

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    • There’s a BIG difference between organizing and participating. Organizers are targets for punishment to serve as examples to deter followers who seek to real power.

      Rose Parks is a good example. She took public action but was a follower. That doesn’t diminish her, she acted with support of resources she didn’t have. The organizers who assigned Parks her role were much more hidden. They held secret meeting to plan and make strategy. Only when enough followers rallied around Rosa did the organizers have sufficient security and insulation from severe repercussions to emerge openly. Even so, the organizers still were singled out individually for punishment.

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  12. NAN. Wouldn’t it have been cool if those concerned (like me) could have at least fielded opposition to Sheriff Downy? Wouldn’t it be cool if we coul field real opposition to Rex?

    If people like Yogi told their stories, our elections would have more meaning. Until then, if the victims of power stay in the shadows like the power brokers themselves, they too are enabling those that would use power to settle personal scores.

    I think this is exactly why Rosa Parks is a leader.

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    • Thing is Jon, to credibly participate, you’ve got to know some facts. And that’s where you fall short most of the time. Here, you know nothing about this incident other than my short posting and yet you come up with an opinion, and a firm one at that. No need to read the source material, just let fly with one of your standard pre-canned posts.

      Sorry Jon. But mostly you impress me as someone who just doesn’t make an effort to inform himself and as a result doesn’t actually know anything. Your demonstrated ability is simply using the English language. And BTW, the Sheriff’s name is Downey. You just copied my text without any critical thought, not mindful enough even to discern my spelling error.

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  13. I’m not afraid, I’m not a victom but I new one well enough that I WILL speak for him. Because his voice can not be heard.
    How can we fight for justice. When a officers have a code of conduct. But officers won’t be judged by that code of conduct, When they abuse there authority
    So how can they say it’s justicfide when they do not conduct themselves as officers

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  14. Nan,nailed! But thank you for the compliment re English language. Most people, including myself would dispute that.

    The reason I was nailed was there is no online chance to read the Enterprise. I did do a Google search bringing up the NCJ cover article on them article where I first heard about the Tituses.

    I thought about Yogi’s situation when I read about the guy at the end of the story who spoke up and had to pay a price for it. It’s bullying, and the best way to stand up against it is to stand up against it.

    If my reactions sound canned, one reason may be b/c the problems we face are repetitive and monotonous. The path forward is clear, it will just take passion, dedication,courage, ans tenacity. Otherwise the problem is we will become exactly what we disagree with in those we oppose.

    “The HumCo game is power brokers hiding in the shadows”

    Exactly.

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  15. Liberal Jon
    January 11, 2015
    4:36 am
    Yogi.

    “Everyone has every right to remain anonymous. I simply am saying remaining anonymous alone hurts the left of center cause.” (*)

    (*) “Everyone”…….except anyone Jon or Mitch judges guilty of using multiple monikers, in which case attempting to expose their identity by assigning them one without due process is OK because Jon and Mitch say so, and because they are not right-wingers or Saudi Wahhabi’s.

    Hypocrisy is rarely more blatant. Please start posting anonymously!

    Further, there must be endless examples of how “remaining anonymous alone” has proven essential to every resistance and social justice movement in history.

    Historic surveillance capabilities have steadily increased dependence upon anonymity. If the American Revolution were unsuccessful, would we know all of the authors of the Federalist Papers? Successful resistance movements today can take a lesson from internet music theft. Lawyers and prosecutors for the Big Five music producers/exploiters became powerless when the thefts became decentralized and profitless.

    To be successful, future resistance movements must be equally decentralized and anonymous, or the mere hint of a successful leader will be easily undermined, discredited, wrongly accused if needed, and quickly dispatched with unparalleled efficiency.

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