Blame it all on the weed

Besides the gross manipulation of the Grand Jury system by the District Attorney /Police ‘Investigation’ team in St. Louis County, as commenter Yogi points out here:

https://tuluwatexaminer.wordpress.com/2014/11/26/no-indictment-of-linsfoot-or-stephens-no-big-surprise-heres-why/comment-page-1/#comment-5160

reefer Madness

They raised the specter of marijuana being the cause of the violent confrontation. Say what? Yes that’s right in their theory is you smoke a bunch of “train wreck” and you’re going to get all “agro” and agitated. Then decide to attack and armed Police Officer! WTF!

We think we must have slipped to into a parallel universe where weed jacks you up and meth calms you down.………………

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/11/reefer-madness-prosecutors-mentioned-mike-browns-pot-use-44-times-in-grand-jury-hearings/

Prosecutors seeking an indictment against police officer Darren Wilson repeatedly questioned witnesses about victim Michael Brown’s marijuana usage, bringing it up 44 times in grand jury questioning, reports the St. Louis Dispatch.

One of the construction workers who spoke with Brown before the shooting told St. Louis Police investigators that part of his conversation with Brown involved “waxing,” a process that uses the sticky resin or tar that comes from marijuana and is either ingested or smoked because of its higher THC levels. According to the witness, he asked Brown if he had ever tried it, but Brown denied knowing about the procedure.

Despite the witnesses’ testimony, Assistant Prosecuting Attorney Kathi Alizadeh repeatedly asked other witnesses about possible waxing by Brown, with one detective admitting he wasn’t familiar with the process.

Dorian Johnson, who was with Brown when he died, confirmed the waxing conversation Brown had had with the worker, however he denied that Brown had consumed any marijuana that day.

According to a toxicology report, Brown had 12 nanograms of THC per milliliter of blood in his system, with the chief toxicologist for St. Louis County saying it would take a lot of marijuana to get a 300-pound person to the level.

“In a small person, say like 100 pounds, to get to 12 nanograms wouldn’t take a lot,” the toxicologist said. “A single joint could easily do that. But when you talk about a larger body mass, just like drinking alcohol, larger persons can drink more alcohol because they have the receptacle to hold it.”

Despite repeated questioning by Alizadeh, no witness — including the chief toxicologist — was able to link Brown to waxing outside of the conversation he had with the worker.

Dr. Michael Baden, a private pathologist retained by the Brown family, disputed that Brown had a large amount of THC in his body, telling jurors Brown had a “relative small amount, and how it affects somebody varies.”

“It doesn’t make people go crazy,” he said. “So toxicology, everything it has and everything it doesn’t have has significance, and in this instance, I think marijuana is significant that he smoked marijuana, but 99 out of 100 people taking marijuana aren’t going to get in a fight with a police officer over it, in my experience.”

Alizadeh then questioned Baden three times if he was a toxicologist, twice if he was a pharmacologist, twice if he has been certified as an expert in toxicology, and once if he has been certified as an expert in pharmacology.

Baden said he wasn’t a toxicologist but had expertise in interpreting toxicology reports as a medical examiner, adding that he ran a toxicology lab in New York City for five years.

Despite the lack of evidence linking Brown with waxing, prosecutors again mentioned it again on the final day of testimony, Nov. 21, while acknowledging that police had found no evidence that Brown had gotten wax from the workers.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-30216293

Could marijuana really have contributed to the deadly confrontation between Michael Brown and Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson?

With the record in the grand jury investigation now open to the public, commentators and analysts are poring over the details for explanations as to why the grand jury decided not to indict Mr Wilson for shooting Brown. The drug angle has garnered particular attention and, from some corners, criticism.

According to a toxicology report conducted by the government, Brown had 12 nanograms of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) – an active ingredient of marijuana – in his blood when he died.

The evidence was presented to the grand jury, and assistant county prosecutor Kathi Alizadeh interviewed the county’s toxicologist as to the potential implications.

He told the grand jury that tests indicated Brown had smoked marijuana “within a couple of hours” of his death and it could have had hallucinogenic effects if taken in a high enough dose.

“Technically speaking, I mean, you are not looking at pretty birds and flying snakes and so forth, but you are altering your perception of senses,” he said.

Ms Alizadeh later asked if the evidence showed that Brown had a “high dose”, to which the toxicologist answered:

“This was a very large individual. I think he was about 300 pounds. So for a concentration of 12 nanograms in a large person, that shows it was a large dose. In a small person, say like 100 pounds, to get to 12 nanograms wouldn’t take a lot. A single joint could easily do that. But when you talk about a larger body mass, just like drinking alcohol, larger persons can drink more alcohol because they have the receptacle to hold it.”

 

This exchange has Jacob Sullum, an editor at the libertarian Reason magazine, crying foul.

“By conflating dose with blood concentration, this exchange implies that 12 nanograms of THC per milliliter will make a large person crazier than a small person, which makes no sense,” he writes. “If smoking a single joint can raise a 100-pound person’s THC concentration that high, and if 100-pound people who smoke a joint do not commonly behave the way Wilson claims Brown did, why should we believe marijuana helps explain why Brown is dead?”

Sullum says that the prosecutors did everything they could to push a “pharmacological explanation” for the aggressive behaviour Wilson claims Brown exhibited in their confrontation.

While prosecutors in the case noted that 5 nanograms is the legal limit for operating motor vehicles in the two US states where pot is now legal, Sullum contends that other studies have shown that higher levels are required for impairment.

A jar full of marijuana. Marijuana may soon be legal in four US states, but the amount required for impairment is still in dispute

“The fact that Brown’s THC level was ‘over twice’ this arbitrary number, as Alizadeh emphasized, does not necessarily indicate he was too stoned to drive, let alone that he had consumed enough marijuana to precipitate a psychotic break.”

Vox’s German Lopez also questions whether marijuana could have played a role in the Ferguson incident. He points to later grand jury testimony by Michael A Baden, a forensic pathologist hired by the Brown family.

Could marijuana have affected Brown’s reactions and behaviour once he was shot, assistant prosecutor Sheila Whirley asked.

“The amount of marijuana he has could cause abnormal behaviour, but usually doesn’t,” Mr Baden replied.

“Ninety-nine out of 100 people taking marijuana aren’t going to get in a fight with a police officer,” he said.

Lopez notes that Ms Whirley then questioned Mr Baden’s credentials and one of the grand jurors expressed doubt that the expert could know that marijuana wasn’t the reason why Brown fought with Wilson.

“There’s actually no reason to believe, based on the available research and the scientific understanding of pot, that marijuana would actually make someone more violent,” Lopez writes.

 

“This makes sense to anyone with even a vague notion of marijuana’s effects. Pot is most popularly known as a sedative that relaxes users. One of the prominent arguments against its use, in fact, is that it makes users so sedated that they’re lazy and, as a result, unproductive.”

When word of the positive blood test first was leaked in October, however, some marijuana critics were quick to call attention to the drug.

“Brown’s death … should serve as a tragic reminder that marijuana is not harmless, that it is not just like alcohol,” Christian Thurstone, an addictions psychologist, wrote in his blog (in a post that has since been deleted), “that its consumption often leads to impairment that is very difficult for the public to measure – also making it tough for the public to hold users accountable for the harm they’ve caused others. Marijuana users also could be vulnerable to aggression and attacks while under the drug’s influence.”

Others have pointed to Brown’s apparent marijuana use as indicative of his character – and the culture that he was raised in – regardless of the amount in his bloodstream.

“Did Brown’s parents know who his friends were?” asks PJ Media’s Bryan Preston. “Did they know about his drug use?” Do they, he goes on, know he pretended on social media to be a gang member. “Was he one of those kids born into a ‘good family’ that taught him well, only to reject those values? Was he taught any values at all?”

The subject of marijuana even came up during the protests and subsequent violent clashes with police following announcement of the grand jury’s decision.

“Obviously there’s the smell of marijuana in the air,” CNN anchor Don Lemon said as he walked through the crowd of demonstrators.

His comment drew a quick and angry response from many on social media.

In the 1930s and 1940s in the US there was a common perception that marijuana could cause individuals to behave dangerously – “reefer madness”, as it was referred to in a 1936 propaganda film that predicted a dark fate for those who used the drug.

Mr Baden, during his testimony, made reference to this cultural episode.

“There was this terror that it made everybody go crazy,” he said. “It doesn’t make people go crazy.”

Now with a marijuana legalisation movement in the US taking hold, the public is once again addressing the implications of making pot use more acceptable. For advocates who have long sought to decriminalise the drug, it is a triumphant moment. For others, it is more concerning.

For now the drug resides in a legal grey area – a controlled substance on the federal level, soon to be legal in four states and illegal in the rest.

Is marijuana a contributing element in criminal activity? Is it a recreational drug on its way to societal normalization?

The marijuana testimony in the Wilson case – and the reaction to it – indicates that these questions are nowhere near being resolved.

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2 thoughts on “Blame it all on the weed

  1. Racism is alive and well in much of White America which still just amazes me. So add refer excuse madness and a republican mind set and you have the results we see in Mo. Absolutely disgusting and a sad commentary on basically how half of Americans seems to view right from wrong. They prosecuted the victim first to the grand jury and then to the media .

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  2. Good analysis TE, I have become so used to Mad MJ claims I was skipping the weed part of the not so ‘Grand Jury’ report as so easily dismissable as to be some Daily Show joke, as no doubt it might be.

    The Reefer Madness is so ridiculous you’d have to collect a dozen coma recovered patients, gone into comas in the 1930’s and just awakened for the ‘Grand Jury’ testimony. Good to see at least one juror spoke up..

    And yet, indeed they actually threw the Reefer Madness argument against the Jury room wall, and, it stuck.

    Welcome to the 1930’s Missouri.

    It’s amazing that some legal beagles would even try the Reefer Madness argument since, oh, about 1960.

    I hope the DoJ reviews this case and there is some way that it gets tried again in a real court.

    My comment was more me trying to express amazement at the Assistant DAs that purposefully and willfully misinformed and manipulated the jury’s understanding of the legality of the Garner decision, where cops are, or are not allowed to shoot and kill fleeing suspects. Those Assistant DAs should be disbarred and jailed for that creepy misdirection.

    I was also commenting on the parallels of our DA/EPD convening what almost looked like a Grand Jury but without the inconvenience of having to manipulate the jurors in the McClain case..good for Chief Mills on that savings to the taxpayers of all that money saved. Yeah, not so good for justice or policy reform tho…

    In the article there was also comment on the burdens of proof for civil vs criminal proceedings, arguments going both ways by commentors, some actual lawyers even.

    Good analysis of the Reefer Madness ‘argument’, thanks.

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